The first book in R Scott Bakker s Prince of Nothing series creates a world from whole cloth its language and classes of people, its cities, religions, mysteries, taboos, and rituals It s a world scarred by an apocalyptic past, evoking a time both two thousand years past and two thousand years into the future, as untold thousands gather for a crusade Among them, two menThe first book in R Scott Bakker s Prince of Nothing series creates a world from whole cloth its language and classes of people, its cities, religions, mysteries, taboos, and rituals It s a world scarred by an apocalyptic past, evoking a time both two thousand years past and two thousand years into the future, as untold thousands gather for a crusade Among them, two men and two women are ensnared by a mysterious traveler, Anas rimbor Kellhus part warrior, part philosopher, part sorcerous, charismatic presence from lands long thought dead The Darkness That Comes Before is a history of this great holy war, and like all histories, the survivors write its conclusion.
The Darkness That Comes Before The first book in R Scott Bakker s Prince of Nothing series creates a world from whole cloth its language and classes of people its cities religions mysteries taboos and rituals It s a world scar
Found this in the parents room at the hospital.So I ve seen a lot of Bakker talk online and you d think to read it that the man was either the devil incarnate or a seven fold genius come to show the true way A phrase I m used to hearing is marmite book , another is you ll either love it or hate it there s no in between All as much bollocks here of course as when applied to my own work A simple click of the ratings button shows a vast number of in betweens In fact most people are in between the 5 [...]
4.5 5 The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before Jason Deem s re imagery of the series covers Which I prefer to the original covers which is half a face in a circleThis novel is one of those novels that are basically impossible to review So excuse the word vomit Like a Malazan boo [...]
Ha I love the reviews for this book If you re older than 14, and have ever read anything the cover of which does not feature embossed gold lettering and a fire breathing dragon Goddess, you love it People who don t understand the show vs tell distinction but use it anyway, people who have the vocabulary of a 12 year old, and people who are unwilling to put in any effort whatsoever hate it I don t read much fantasy, just because I can t take much description in prose, let alone the stilted, turgi [...]
This was a disappointment I generally like epic fantasy, but this author is convinced that having absolutely no exposition is perfectly okay when creating a world It s not If there are 8 different countries and nationalities, a few nobles, a few peasants, 12 different factions within each nationality, 5 different schools of magic, 3 different major religious beliefs, some humans, some not humans maybe and all these things are named with the most un familiar sounding tripe names you can imagine e [...]
I never finished this book, actually I never finished the first chapter I couldn t read this book it was like the author grabbed a thesaurus and picked out vocabulary that would have even made Jerome Shostak have to look it up It made me hate the author felt arrogant, high handed and pissed me off shivers
There are very few books that are as ambitious as R Scott Bakker s The Darkness That Comes Before Most authors would never attempt to create such a vast world with a deeply encompassing and vital intellectual history, and disparate races that have varying philosophical viewpoints and ways of perceiving the world This novel, while a putative fantasy, is so remarkably well conceived and executed that it feels like a historical recollection of a lost world In fact, Bakker liberally uses real Weste [...]
This trilogy is really crazy interesting My friends and I have a category of literature that I enjoy, basically calling it Lit grad student masturbation e.g Cloud Atlas, Infinte Jest Although it s mainly used in the perjorative, it also describes incredibly accurately the writing style, very heady, involved, and vocab intense This is the first time I ve encountered Philosophy grad student automanipulation, and it s enthralling, especially in the fantasy genre, where various philisophical schools [...]
Its jacket covered with hyperbolic praise, this book intrigued me enough that I borrowed it from our local library Reviewers compare it, ecstatically, to both the Song of Ice and Fire and the Lord of the Rings, though in some measure surpassing both of them Well, comparisons to LotR are de rigeur for any fantasy novel wanting to be taken seriously But why compare this to GRR Martin s series For the first hundred pages, the comparison seems nonsensical But then it starts to make a twisted sense T [...]
This book, than any other book seems to polarize my GR buddies I don t know many people who sit on the fence with this book At one end of the scale you have my favourite series, this is amazing and at the other end you ll remember your time having gastro favourably than this book.Me, I am going to come down off the fence on the side of the like sters I am not sure where the bad rep comes from, I have read far far worse than this, I have also read far better, but for a first in the series, I th [...]
Observational aside I will rarely reread books Once I finish a book it is usually off to the next one, with few exceptions In this case the sixth book in the series, The Great Ordeal, is coming out soon, a book I have waited nearly five years for, and I wanted to give myself a refresher on the entire series before it was released I don t recall the first time I read The Prince of Nothing trilogy but assures me it was before I joined this website Since then I have read literally hundreds of books [...]
Maybe one of the most compelling and complex fantasy reads I have ever had the pleasure of reading I was turned away from this series on a number of different occasions because I had read so many reviews that trashed it as self serving pseudo intellectual drivel Well, I m glad I finally put all of that aside and gave it a go because in my opinion, nothing could be further from the truth It does require a great deal of patience and fortitude because Bakker does you no favors as far as holding you [...]
I ve gone through some reviews and it seems to me The Darkness That Comes Before isn t everybody s cup of tea There are a lot of one star reviews and heaps of dnf s Well, now that I ve read it, I guess i know why I reckon this book is not a walk in the park, Bakker s prose gets a bit cryptical here and there It s really not the easiest text to get into and it might get a tad frustrating, alright I mean, sometimes the reader finds himself wondering what is going on I, for one, had to stop and go [...]
The book grips you A page turner Complex world with complex characters Schemes upon schemes, epic battles mixed with political intrigue Bakker writes mature characters, mature themes for the thinking audience His world, Earwa is well defined and has an exotic feel to it The Darkness That Comes Before lays the foundation for the main event of the series The Holy War.Notable characters Achamian spy sorceror , Cnauir you do not wanna offend this guy , Kellhus than a man, moves strings of all aroun [...]
I ve tried to read this for three years in a row and never been able to get interested in it Glad others enjoy it though.
3.5 stars After finishing The White Luck Warrior, the most recent volume in R Scott Bakker s fantasy novels set in the world of E rwa, and realizing that I had many months to wait for the next book, and somehow feeling like I didn t yet want to leave this dark and twisted world I decided to go back to the first series and give it a re read E rwa is an interesting secondary world one in which the metaphysics of its religions are objectively true, as are the consequences of not adhering to their b [...]
Ugh I really wanted to like this book I m pretty much the target audience for this I like my fantasy books on the serious side, I like them to have a fixation with history, and I like them to be pretty detailed in their development And since I study medieval history, I got to pick out all the allusions to the real Crusades But I can t say I d really recommend it for all its good attributes it winds up getting a bit too caught up in trying to maintain its own self importance for it to succeed as [...]
I can t decide how I feel about this book Well written, engaging characters, a fantasy world with enough differences from the norm that I felt like I was discovering something new and interesting I picked it up from the shelf in the bookstore because the recommendation card said Fans of George R.R Martin and Guy Gavriel Kay will love it , and I certainly see where they re coming from with that This is the first book in a complete hooray trilogy, and I m sufficiently engaged that I m wondering ho [...]
In my ongoing exploration of Worldbuilding on my blog, I ve found the observations and thoughts of many different authors to be of use, including LeGuin and Moorcock but it s been M John Harrison s approach that I find most intriguing, because he begins the work of setting up a working theory for what worldbuilding is, how it operates, and why certain writers and fans may be attracted to it.Of course, his views on worldbuilding are not very flattering, and as such, they have inspired a massive b [...]
Epic fantasy through the prism of Nietzschian philosophy, all rendered in compelling and exquisite prose Highly recommended.
After reading up on this series, I had really high hopes going into it looking for something that would really revolutionize the fantasy genre Boy, was I ever disappointedd I mean really disappointed.The book started off great, which lead me to believe that it was truly going to live up to the reviews I ve read Well, as soon as the introduction came to a close, this thing just began to droll on and on at such a tediously slow pace This book just bored the hell out of me It seemed to fall into a [...]
Patience grasshopper, patienceTo those who are considering reading this book I would recommend this read however, you will need to be patient Well written language wise , intricate and clever, you can not deny the effort and care put forth by Mr Bakker With that said,the story is slow to get going and there is a delayed satisfaction at play I note this because of the many frustrated and low star reviews I had seen when contemplating whether to begin this trilogy or not The first 5 chapters of th [...]
DNF 25% This book and series really should have been right in my wheelhouse but I honestly just couldn t bring myself to care There were too many names, characters, sects, religions to balance with the clunky writing style I ve read and enjoyed Neichze I recently read Beyond Redemption and it was a 5 book containing a lot of philosophy and religious content I just felt every page was a slog to get through Keep in mind I m a huge Malazan fan and was never lost reading Garden s of the moon I don t [...]
I love this one despite despite some minor flaws, and the first series is one of my favorite fantasy trilogies of all time Will post a full review later in 2016 which will go over my detailed appreciation for the philosophy behind it, Kellhus, Cnai r, Esmenet, Achamian, Conphas, the Schools and the Consult.
5 Stars He says says such sweet things to give me comfort He says that one of my seed will return, Seswatha An Anasurimbor will return The High King winced and shuddered Spittle hissed through clenched teeth at the end of the world Darkness that Comes Before has been one of my favorite novels for a long time The Prince of Nothing Series by R Scott Bakker marked a change in my reading habits He brought the grit and dirt of the adult world to my fantasy Bye Bye do good heroes and stereotypes str [...]
This review is of an overall primer to the series, and less of a book specific review but I feel like some folks might need a little initial encouragement I ve read a fair amount of fantasy fiction, and what I find most compelling in a book is strong character development and witty banter This book took everything I had to get through the first 4 5 chaptersbut it was well worth the tenacity.Why was it such a slow start for me Bakker has obviously put an enormous amount of effort into his world [...]
Dark, powerful, and an excellent beginning to what I hope and kind of expect will be an excellent series.The combination of philosophy and fantasy allows a breakthrough into a new dimension of both that allows a much deeper immersion into the book than with any traditional fantasy novel.Although Achamian is the protagonist of the novel, one cannot help but be drawn to many of the other characters Esmenet, for example, shows tremendous wisdom but is helpless because of her situations, fabricated [...]
How should I review this book Let me start by addressing those who reviewed this book and thought the author was Tyranothesaurus Rex with his use of arrogant sounding vocabulary words I saw many people complain about this and I m really puzzled because the only words I didn t understand were the ones he created for the different sects organizations cults whatevers Are you people mad that Tolkien said Lothlorien instead of London Bakker does not abuse his thesaurus at all That being said, the pro [...]
I m calling it at 39% I can t do it any I ve found myself just skimming the book after 20%, so that may be the real DNF point I m disappointed because this is marketed at being like Malazan, and i didn t personally feel like it was I ve seen that some people have enjoyed this, and I m really glad they did It s just not for me I just wasn t able to feel invested in this book.
I have thought back and forth for awhile, but I think I am finally giving up on this book after reaching the half way mark I want to come back to it and try again someday, but I m really not in the right mood for this book.The names are awful I don t think I ve encountered names as difficult as the ones in The Prince of Nothing I can t remember who is who because their names are all so complicated Throw places into the mix and I am lost.What I loved about this book and why I really want to come [...]
This is a very difficult book to begin reading The first one hundred pages or so are filled with so many characters and plots and the setting up of a whole fantasy world that your brain swims in all of these details while trying to keep them together The determined reader will be richly rewarded though by continuing through hundreds of pages over Bakker s next two books in the trilogy I am completely at awe with his masterful interjection of philosophy, keen insights into human pysche and the my [...]